My friends always seem bewildered when I tell them that I cannot have guys in my room before six and after eleven thirty. Most of my friends go to predominantly white schools, where the rules about visitation are limited and scarce. So why does Spelman have this rule? It beats me. Spelman College should have less restrictive visitation rules in order to teach students responsibility, give the students what they pay for, and to treat each student as an adult.
Every male visitor must be out in the dorm lobbies by 11:25 to check out. There are no exceptions. Many who support these regulations would say that it is better for the students because it gives the women a limit on the time they have to fool around instead of study. I believe this regulation babies the students who attend Spelman College. As young adults, we have to be responsible. We should be able to have guests until a much later time as long as we are respectful of our roommates and our neighbors. We must use time management wisely.
10,000 dollars is a lot of money to pay for living expenses, even more than it would cost to live off campus. As first and second year students, we are forced to live on campus, and forced to pay the housing fees. If a student is paying 10,000 dollars for a room, then that student should have the option to have guest in that room whenever she feels. I feel that 10,000 dollars is an efficient amount of money to pay for the freedom to do what you want with your space.
As I have stated a large amount of times in this commentary, we are all adults. Almost all of us are 18 and older. We are away from home and should not be treated like little children who need curfews and limitations, we should be able to act freely and know what the consequences are going to be. Telling a student that they have to be on campus by 11, must have all visitors out by 11:25, or must be asleep at 12 is being a second parent. Yes, as a college community, we want the best for our students, but we cannot force grown adults to do what they do not want to do. As adults we should have the right to do as we please.
I do not see anything wrong with striking the visitation rules. Other schools have free visitation and all of them run perfectly fine. Harvard, NYU, and Columbia are all elite schools with no restrictions on visitation. There is no reason why Spelman women cannot handle the freedom or obtain the freedom of timeless visitation. Spelman can keep a hold on things without suffocating its students.
Commentary..
What you have to understand Nia is that the majority of your friends who attend White schools are living in an environment suited and understood for White people. Instead of condemning Spelman for the visitation rule, thank them for looking out for you as an African American woman. The statistics of pregnancies before marriage is far greater in the African American community than it is the White community, partially because of the lack of sex education from parents and schools. If you are attending a White school, obviously you are going to have less restrictions on male visitation because young adult pregnancies are topics less discussed, less prevalent, and of less concern in the White community. However, you would probaly not have as many males you would want to visit you if you were at a White school anyway! : ) Im not attacking you, but rather making, in my opinion, the valid point that there are so many other positives to look and observe at that qualify Spelman as one of the best schools in the Nation. First off, your attending the top HBCU in the country, Spelman is a school all about sisterhood so you have at least 2000 girls that will always have your back, and being at a HBCU gives you the privelege of being embraced, not just tolerated as a statistic. So, yes, you could go to a White school and have male visitors till six am in the morning, but being honest with yourself is it really worth it to sacrifice all the other positives of Spelman College and the HBCU life? In my opinion, no. There is PLENTY of time for male visitation and all that may come with it. But for now, enjoy the time with your friends, your 36 thousand dollar education, and your overpriced books. At the end of the day, your future job interviwer will not ask you how long males visited your room but rather what organizations you were active in, what networking you did, how high your grades were, etc. The answers to all these questions will be better because you took a few more hours to be productive than spending it with a boy. As Black women, we will NOT be looked at the same in ANY interview as the WHITE girl sitting next to us. So, although she may have gotten unlimited visitation and have a lower GPA than you, there is the chance that shell STILL get picked over you. As a Black woman, there is just no time to play around, especially not in College. Do all you can do to make it as far as you can because the White girl who got her visitation does not have to worry about the job interviewer turning up his nose at her. In the world, we will be treated harder, thus, Spelman must be harder on us to ensure we are prepared to the best of our ability. I love you my Spelman sister!
Tuesday, September 8, 2009
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I get your point but I think you have to kepp in mind that some girls(or their parents) may choose Spelman partially for that reason. Having guys in the dorms at all times, with little to no restriction, could be dangerous. While I do pay $10,000 to have freedom, I also pay to be safe and comfortable in my living environment.-Sarita Smith
You can be safe and comfortable and still have freedom of visitation. My life does not depend on whether or not I have boys in my room, however I should have that option.
What is also being failed to see by Jordone, is the simple fact that having visitation would be safer for the Spelman women. Teen pregnancies or not, the truth is, women will have sex if they want to. That has nothing to do with the time limit on visitation, that is a problem some people lack when it comes to the use of contraception. Curfew or not. There is no difference between having sex at 2 am and having sex at 10 pm. Another issue is that Spelman women are often roaming off campus in order to hang out with people because there is such strict visitation rules here. I do not know how much safer that really is when we have Spelman women walking to other campuses, walking to the Marta to visit someone who could have easily visited them. The greatest example is the abundance of girls outside at Jazzmans till 2 in the morning.
I would also like to note that I mentioned Harvard, Columbia, and NYU for a reason. I love Spelman and I am fully aware that it is the number 1 HBCU, however I know many people that probably have a higher GPA than Jordone and myself, who enjoy limitless visitation.
It is all about having priority. Truth is, I never really used my visitation last year, however I do not like being told that if I do use it, there is a limit. Spelman is my HOME. Therefore I should be able to enjoy it as if it were.
We, as Spelman women, should be expected to be smarter than that. The average Spelman woman is not the average Black statistic. A large portion of students at Spelman move off-campus immediately after sophomore year because of visitation--and they still succeed. The ability to have guys over will not make or break our grades. The irresposible find a way to be irresponsible anyways, probably in more detrimental ways. I agree with Nia, we are intelligent, adult women who pay to be treated as such.
I believe that Spelman should lighten the restrictions on visitation. As adults we should be able to make our own decisions concerning this. I feel that visitation is a right and we should be able to have that. Many schools have looser visitation because they understand that as college students we are adults now.
--shanika
I agree with your point that visitation can be sacrificed for the sake of your education. I believe that Spelman's visitation rules are based upon tradition and respect, seeing that this is an all girls school. However I was confused with some parts of your argument. I didn't see how the issue of pregnancy was relevant. But overall, I enjoyed reading the argument.
A.Calloway
I agree with the commentary. When I lived on campus I did not understand the purpose of guys having to be out of the dorm by 11:25. Our parents have raised responsible women, Spelman women to be exact. As adults we know what to do and what not to do and how to balance our studies and our social lives. I see the point the response is making, but that reasoning is not for everyone. As a diverse group of women, we have different views on different matters, and this happens to be one of them. In my opinion, visitation curfews should be longer. Housing should consider each side of this argument and possibly have a trial period for longer visitation hours. In all, the commentary and the response were very well written, and it allows me to understand both sides of the argument and form my own opinion. Great Job, ladies!
I agree with your agrument about your stance on visitation issues here at Spelman College. It would of been more effective if you would of added a little more facutal evidence, such as includign soem statistics about schools that don't have limitations on schools and also colleges that do have restrictions. More of his commentary was focused solely about personal values rather than adding some factual evidence and statistics.
-C.W.
I understand both of the points that have been raised, and agree with both of you all to an extent, however I'm confused as to how the extended of visitation would cause pregnancy. That seems irrelevant to me, where does that factor into the time span of male visitation?
So we left the class, and I began to think of more reasons why we should have visitation without time limits. My main argument is this. We are adults, although many girl's parents would beg to differ, we are. We all have to make decisions and deal with the consequences on our own. We are in college, away from home, and this is the time that we should have to start taking some personal responsibility. We cannot baby these girls. Spelman can have convocation or have an assembly about the risks of taking advantage of visitation, and how visitation can be a distraction, but that the choice is ours. Gabrielle said that she saw a difference in girls when visitation began; they began to complain "they’re tired, they’re sleepy" which is amazing to me because 11:25 is not that late. However, I wanted to state, that these girls our all old enough to make common sense decisions. If you do not think so, TOUGH! They are old enough to deal with the consequences. If a girl has a guy in her dorm till 5:30 in the morning and is really tired during her 8 oclock class, guess what? She will learn not to have guys over at 5:30. She will tell the guy “Hey I have an 8 oclock tomorrow and I really need my rest” and if she does not have the backbone to tell him that, then maybe she needs to suffer the consequences till she gets the idea. Although Spelman wants to implant some values within us, we have to also know that the journey should be ours. If we had someone protecting us for the rest of our lives, we would never really mature. Will safety become an issue? Yes, but we must also remember that it is an issue now when our girls roam off campus because they cannot have people here. I do not want to use Jasmine as an example, but I will use Freshman as an example. These students stand outside the gate, sit at Jazzmans, hang out at the Morehouse suites, chill on the strip, why? Because they cannot have people here at Spelman. Is it really much safer? Walking to the suites is not really safe. Well some people would say, well do not walk to the suites; you have time to do that when you graduate! I feel like people fail to recognize that all the girls that got into Spelman are intelligent women. We understand that the main reason we are here is for our studies, but we also have to recognize that it has a lot to do with the social experience. That is why we have extracurricular activities. There is no way that Glee Club or NAACP is going to raise your grade in Biology, but these are activities that are social that help you meet new people while being involved In something that interests you. You only get to be in college once, and while grades and studies are number one priority, we have to enjoy it as well. Too many people want to see work, studying, work, and studying, all the time and there is nothing wrong with that as long as you do not force your mentality on everyone. If those are your feelings, that is fine, don’t have people over. With free visitation, I am not forcing promiscuity or misbehavior on anyone, I am forcing a choice. A choice I believe should be given to ADULTS. We have to allow people to make their own mistakes because as much as we want everyone to do right all the time, there is going to be a time when we are in the real world and there is no one to guide us anymore.
You put forth a strong argument, as did Jordone Branch. This is one of those things that may never be settled.
Sascha Betts
as i sit here i really wish i could agree with one you guys, but i cant. Like Sascha said "You put forth a strong argument and this is one of those things that may never be settled." I really might have to abstain from this argument.
-Jasmine S.
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